Well, of course they can, but only if they were veteran politicians, or had the guts, like for example Toujan Faisal. I mean, I’d vote for Toujan in a heart beat. Sadly, they forbade her.
are we supposed to vote for them because they are women or because they are good candidates ? if its the later then there are not even 6 of them worth voting for in my opinion and am not going to vote for someone just because she’s a female that just sounds sexist 😛
I agree with no-angle and bakkouz , we should vote for good candidates who want to help this country grow , and honestly , I can’t see that coming , because everyone is voting for his relative and the relative of his friend or the one who pays ..The situation is very sad, we have one of the highest percentages of educated people and our parliament doesn’t reflect that..I believe that women are different than men, which means they have different qualities and different problems, however they do not have a fair opportunity to excel like men do, not only in the parliament but also in their work and social activities..
Bakkouz, they would provide veteran politicians if they got the chance. To be honest, the last parliament dominated by males had really performed poorly. It can’t be worse if we vote for a woman, not matter how bad she can be, we would at least give some sex fairness!No_angel, no, we should vote for them because they are women.Yes, at this stage of time we should vote for women no matter what her qualifications is. It is not sexism because we are trying to give some equal opportunities to a dominated sex. The parliament seats should be divided equally between sexes. If 120, the 60 males and 60 females. The parliament officials are representative of society. They are not like government officials who run the country. If they were, then it is a different case. Natasha, yeah, it is still built on a tribal system, but why dont we give women a chance? They might bring some fresh ideas with them.
I agree with the observer unless they are given a chance they will never become good politians who seek fairness between sexes and fight for women rights.
first of all its quota and not quote. second of all, and i say this with all due respect, but the notion that we should vote for a woman simply because we want to encourage women participation/representation in the parliament is a bit absurd.forget about sexism.our system is far from perfect. the only thing these elections are good for is planting the seeds of democratic participation in the minds of the next generation. if you embed democratic ideals in a people they will inevitably build their own democracy whether the system allows it or not.thus, switching from the “let vote for this guy because he’s a relative” to “lets vote for her because she’s a woman”, doesn’t help in facilitating that transition. it only hinders it.furthermore, voting for a woman simply because she’s a woman, only further solidifies the stereotype that women are less than men, and need both a legal and social crutch in order to achieve anything.
Nasser, thanks for the support! 🙂Nas, I got it right first, then I changed it! Damn! Thanks for the correction. May you explain to me how voting for a women because she is a woman solidify the notion that she is less than a man?! Although we have many qualified women that can excel in the parliament, they don’t really make it because of our social situation. You said it yourself, our current system is far from perfect, and if these elections are good in preparing the following generation to democracy, why not preparing them to give equal chances for women as well? Until we get strong political parties that can come up with good women and men leaders, we can work with the space we have to try to push more women into leadership positions.
how? the whole quota system is like affarmitive action, which is all about a legacy of racial oppression, but in this case, the legacy of gender oppression. this is personified in your conviction that parliamentary seats should be divided amongst gender lines. which only opens the door to division amongst geographical origins, religions, etc etc.and this where the liberal argument goes off the rail, because you want to come back at me with: women are just as equal as men are, as gaurenteed by Jordanian laws, by international law and by the laws of God. but in truth politics is about equal representation. its about everyone getting their voice heard on an equal playing field. be they man, woman, chechyen, palestinian, jordanian, muslim, christian, etc. to say nothing of the fact that international studies have shown that female politicians NOT relying on the crutch training-wheels system that is the parliamentary quota system, will have a higher disposition at social contribution.building a democracy is not about what good today…or about this women, in the now…its about what you pass on to the next 10 guys who come after.
Nas, but we can’t ignore that legacy of gender opression. It has been 12? or 16? years since we got back the elections and only one woman made it to the parliament? Did that helped changing this generation attitude? It didn’t. People need to see women in action. The quota may help.Democracy is also about reserving the rights of minorities that is why we have quotas for ethnic and religious minorities in Jordan. Women are not a minority, but their gender has been opressed for ages. We should help them to achieve to present themselves equally in the parliament.
Let me disappoint all of you and Iam sorry to do that,our Democracy ended in 1957 when most parliament member are leftist were arrested and sent to Al Jafer notorious prison , First, Since then, to about 1986,the government ” allowed” (which I think non of their business to allow or not to allow which and who candidate should run) second ,we had one of the most progressive constitution in the world .our elders were aware enough of the ramification of one family running our show for us ,by the way you should check our 1952 constitution to under stand what I mean ,women rights were guaranteed by the constitution and we had much better proportional representation than the one we have which was amended by King Hussein to service their needs of the Hashemite and prolong their grip on power , For further info check this lecture by < HREF="http://www.garageband.com/mp3player?|pe1|WdjZPXLrvP2rY1exZG5m" REL="nofollow"> Toujan Al faisal<> at University of Chicago and you can scroll down for the second part of the lecture ,,the discussion was evolved around our constitution ,all young people must understand the historical context in order to have understanding of our political and economical problems
observer: help them achieve what? help them gain a seat they might not deserve? the female struggle has always been difficult since this is a man’s world and i don’t deny that, specifically with regards to politics. they have always had to prove themselves more. that’s a given.but once they do achieve it, they stand out like no other male counterpart. because they are a woman. because they succeeded on their own merits. because it’s a man’s world.their names are remembered, and their achievements are typically noticable. toujan was a trailblazer, no doubt. but she set a precedent, she broke a barrier, one that is now being muddied by this absurd quota system, a system mind you that even some of Jordan’s biggest (intelligent) feminists are against!she helped pave the way for bold women to emerge, and instead we just have a bunch of females this time looking for a good gig, in a ship that is already crowded with enough fools. an environment should be created that is conducive to a woman voting and this is done by removing restrictions, not enforcing a system that is outright socially rejecting, which only proves to the people that a woman cannot win without it. even the playing field, yes. let them prove themselves and win on their own merit and I promise you that they will be doing 1,000 times more to further the cause of female participation in the country than any absurd quota system could ever hope to do.
Nas, but the field is not levelled. Women don’t really have equal chances because of social constraints. With current social mentality, it would still be hard on them to win no matter how qualified they are. That is the purpose of the quota to overcome society shortageous. Toujan faisal was an exception. She proved to be a very strong woman. While she proved that some exceptional women can make it, she also managed to strengthen some other people belief that women are not qualified for such post with her outrageous behaviour.I am not saying that you should vote for an unqualified woman in the elections, but certainly there are many qualified ones who are not gonna make it because we refuse to vote for them because of our distrust of their sex.
there is a jordanian saying that goes: tell a jordanian not to shit on himself and he’ll do it just to spite you.you can’t change minds this way. the quota system only reinforces those misconceptions that women are less than, and need a systematic crutch in order to achieve anything. moreover, people are now less inclined to vote for a woman simply because they know she’ll win through a quota system. there are women who are running right now that have their banners reading “running for the third district quota seat”. what the hell does that mean?im not naming names, but in 2003, one women got less than 0.5% of her districts vote.she was given a seat in the senate. believing the quota system will help break the social barriers of traditional misconceptions, barriers which can only be broken by women who are bold enough to do it on their own merit, is like believing all the government subsidies help the economy grow.like subsidies, the quota system will do more damage than it will in fact help.
“moreover, people are now less inclined to vote for a woman simply because they know she’ll win through a quota system. “Sadly that is true! Some people really think this way and yes the quota may have helped draw votes away from women. Maybe that is part of why I felt inclined to come up with this image. To encourage people to vote more because they can help more women reach the parliament. 6 is just not enough. To be honest with you, yesterday I checked out the Free Thought website and read through the candidates profiles. I was really disappointed of what I read. Among all of the candidate of both sexes, only few that show good qualifications, but we have to vote anyway. Bringing some sex justice by voting to women might slightly help.
FADII’M VERY PROUD OF YOUI IMAGIN YOU BETWEEN SKY AND HUMAN BEIGNSAN UNKNOWN ANGEL LEADS YOUR HAND AND EMOTIONSAS WE SAY IN FRANCE : MILLE BRAVO!Issam El HAJJMONTE CARLO/ PARIS
guys, check this out:http://www.alrai.com/pages.php?opinion_id=6481notice the story about the woman who won the election last time and didn’t even vote for herself..!! she got zero votes !! we don’t women like this, we want women who at least believe in themselves and can make A REAL difference. I’m Voting 4 AROOB SOBEH !!!
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Well, of course they can, but only if they were veteran politicians, or had the guts, like for example Toujan Faisal. I mean, I’d vote for Toujan in a heart beat. Sadly, they forbade her.
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are we supposed to vote for them because they are women or because they are good candidates ? if its the later then there are not even 6 of them worth voting for in my opinion and am not going to vote for someone just because she’s a female that just sounds sexist 😛
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I agree with no-angle and bakkouz , we should vote for good candidates who want to help this country grow , and honestly , I can’t see that coming , because everyone is voting for his relative and the relative of his friend or the one who pays ..The situation is very sad, we have one of the highest percentages of educated people and our parliament doesn’t reflect that..I believe that women are different than men, which means they have different qualities and different problems, however they do not have a fair opportunity to excel like men do, not only in the parliament but also in their work and social activities..
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Bakkouz, they would provide veteran politicians if they got the chance. To be honest, the last parliament dominated by males had really performed poorly. It can’t be worse if we vote for a woman, not matter how bad she can be, we would at least give some sex fairness!No_angel, no, we should vote for them because they are women.Yes, at this stage of time we should vote for women no matter what her qualifications is. It is not sexism because we are trying to give some equal opportunities to a dominated sex. The parliament seats should be divided equally between sexes. If 120, the 60 males and 60 females. The parliament officials are representative of society. They are not like government officials who run the country. If they were, then it is a different case. Natasha, yeah, it is still built on a tribal system, but why dont we give women a chance? They might bring some fresh ideas with them.
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I agree with the observer unless they are given a chance they will never become good politians who seek fairness between sexes and fight for women rights.
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first of all its quota and not quote. second of all, and i say this with all due respect, but the notion that we should vote for a woman simply because we want to encourage women participation/representation in the parliament is a bit absurd.forget about sexism.our system is far from perfect. the only thing these elections are good for is planting the seeds of democratic participation in the minds of the next generation. if you embed democratic ideals in a people they will inevitably build their own democracy whether the system allows it or not.thus, switching from the “let vote for this guy because he’s a relative” to “lets vote for her because she’s a woman”, doesn’t help in facilitating that transition. it only hinders it.furthermore, voting for a woman simply because she’s a woman, only further solidifies the stereotype that women are less than men, and need both a legal and social crutch in order to achieve anything.
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Nasser, thanks for the support! 🙂Nas, I got it right first, then I changed it! Damn! Thanks for the correction. May you explain to me how voting for a women because she is a woman solidify the notion that she is less than a man?! Although we have many qualified women that can excel in the parliament, they don’t really make it because of our social situation. You said it yourself, our current system is far from perfect, and if these elections are good in preparing the following generation to democracy, why not preparing them to give equal chances for women as well? Until we get strong political parties that can come up with good women and men leaders, we can work with the space we have to try to push more women into leadership positions.
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how? the whole quota system is like affarmitive action, which is all about a legacy of racial oppression, but in this case, the legacy of gender oppression. this is personified in your conviction that parliamentary seats should be divided amongst gender lines. which only opens the door to division amongst geographical origins, religions, etc etc.and this where the liberal argument goes off the rail, because you want to come back at me with: women are just as equal as men are, as gaurenteed by Jordanian laws, by international law and by the laws of God. but in truth politics is about equal representation. its about everyone getting their voice heard on an equal playing field. be they man, woman, chechyen, palestinian, jordanian, muslim, christian, etc. to say nothing of the fact that international studies have shown that female politicians NOT relying on the crutch training-wheels system that is the parliamentary quota system, will have a higher disposition at social contribution.building a democracy is not about what good today…or about this women, in the now…its about what you pass on to the next 10 guys who come after.
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Nas, but we can’t ignore that legacy of gender opression. It has been 12? or 16? years since we got back the elections and only one woman made it to the parliament? Did that helped changing this generation attitude? It didn’t. People need to see women in action. The quota may help.Democracy is also about reserving the rights of minorities that is why we have quotas for ethnic and religious minorities in Jordan. Women are not a minority, but their gender has been opressed for ages. We should help them to achieve to present themselves equally in the parliament.
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Let me disappoint all of you and Iam sorry to do that,our Democracy ended in 1957 when most parliament member are leftist were arrested and sent to Al Jafer notorious prison , First, Since then, to about 1986,the government ” allowed” (which I think non of their business to allow or not to allow which and who candidate should run) second ,we had one of the most progressive constitution in the world .our elders were aware enough of the ramification of one family running our show for us ,by the way you should check our 1952 constitution to under stand what I mean ,women rights were guaranteed by the constitution and we had much better proportional representation than the one we have which was amended by King Hussein to service their needs of the Hashemite and prolong their grip on power , For further info check this lecture by < HREF="http://www.garageband.com/mp3player?|pe1|WdjZPXLrvP2rY1exZG5m" REL="nofollow"> Toujan Al faisal<> at University of Chicago and you can scroll down for the second part of the lecture ,,the discussion was evolved around our constitution ,all young people must understand the historical context in order to have understanding of our political and economical problems
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Here is the second part of Tuojan Al- Fisal’s < HREF="http://www.garageband.com/mp3player?|pe1|WdjZPXLrvP2rY1exZG5m" REL="nofollow"> lecture<>
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Her is the right second part of < HREF="http://www.garageband.com/mp3player?|pe1|WdjZPXLrvP2rY1exZG5n" REL="nofollow"> Tuojan’s lecture <>
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observer: help them achieve what? help them gain a seat they might not deserve? the female struggle has always been difficult since this is a man’s world and i don’t deny that, specifically with regards to politics. they have always had to prove themselves more. that’s a given.but once they do achieve it, they stand out like no other male counterpart. because they are a woman. because they succeeded on their own merits. because it’s a man’s world.their names are remembered, and their achievements are typically noticable. toujan was a trailblazer, no doubt. but she set a precedent, she broke a barrier, one that is now being muddied by this absurd quota system, a system mind you that even some of Jordan’s biggest (intelligent) feminists are against!she helped pave the way for bold women to emerge, and instead we just have a bunch of females this time looking for a good gig, in a ship that is already crowded with enough fools. an environment should be created that is conducive to a woman voting and this is done by removing restrictions, not enforcing a system that is outright socially rejecting, which only proves to the people that a woman cannot win without it. even the playing field, yes. let them prove themselves and win on their own merit and I promise you that they will be doing 1,000 times more to further the cause of female participation in the country than any absurd quota system could ever hope to do.
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Nas, but the field is not levelled. Women don’t really have equal chances because of social constraints. With current social mentality, it would still be hard on them to win no matter how qualified they are. That is the purpose of the quota to overcome society shortageous. Toujan faisal was an exception. She proved to be a very strong woman. While she proved that some exceptional women can make it, she also managed to strengthen some other people belief that women are not qualified for such post with her outrageous behaviour.I am not saying that you should vote for an unqualified woman in the elections, but certainly there are many qualified ones who are not gonna make it because we refuse to vote for them because of our distrust of their sex.
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there is a jordanian saying that goes: tell a jordanian not to shit on himself and he’ll do it just to spite you.you can’t change minds this way. the quota system only reinforces those misconceptions that women are less than, and need a systematic crutch in order to achieve anything. moreover, people are now less inclined to vote for a woman simply because they know she’ll win through a quota system. there are women who are running right now that have their banners reading “running for the third district quota seat”. what the hell does that mean?im not naming names, but in 2003, one women got less than 0.5% of her districts vote.she was given a seat in the senate. believing the quota system will help break the social barriers of traditional misconceptions, barriers which can only be broken by women who are bold enough to do it on their own merit, is like believing all the government subsidies help the economy grow.like subsidies, the quota system will do more damage than it will in fact help.
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“moreover, people are now less inclined to vote for a woman simply because they know she’ll win through a quota system. “Sadly that is true! Some people really think this way and yes the quota may have helped draw votes away from women. Maybe that is part of why I felt inclined to come up with this image. To encourage people to vote more because they can help more women reach the parliament. 6 is just not enough. To be honest with you, yesterday I checked out the Free Thought website and read through the candidates profiles. I was really disappointed of what I read. Among all of the candidate of both sexes, only few that show good qualifications, but we have to vote anyway. Bringing some sex justice by voting to women might slightly help.
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FADII’M VERY PROUD OF YOUI IMAGIN YOU BETWEEN SKY AND HUMAN BEIGNSAN UNKNOWN ANGEL LEADS YOUR HAND AND EMOTIONSAS WE SAY IN FRANCE : MILLE BRAVO!Issam El HAJJMONTE CARLO/ PARIS
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Issam El HAJJ, thank you so much! Your words means a lot to me. You really made my day 🙂
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guys, check this out:http://www.alrai.com/pages.php?opinion_id=6481notice the story about the woman who won the election last time and didn’t even vote for herself..!! she got zero votes !! we don’t women like this, we want women who at least believe in themselves and can make A REAL difference. I’m Voting 4 AROOB SOBEH !!!
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